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yonitabonita -

I ride just about everywhere and have never paid more than 2 mao. I think 3 kuai is way too much.

I always check my bill because by some funny coincidence, whenever the bill has been tallied
incorrectly, it's always to my disadvantage. And always, when it happens, I'm with someone white
and we've been speaking English at the table.

I'm not cool with the laowai tax. Mainly because I don't like being singled out disadvantageously
for characteristics I can do nothing to change. This applies across the board, whether at a
restaurant, paying for my bike parking, or getting a bottle of water.

A restaurant I tried recently was pretty good so I decided to return with my white husband. When I
went the first time, I was given the usual chopsticks - I was with someone Chinese. When I
appeared with white boy the second time, the restaurant staff wheeled out the 'special chopsticks'
that come pre-wrapped and incur an additional charge. This would be ok if they asked me first, and
pointed out that for an additional miniscule charge, I could purchase this extra hygenic service.
But they didn't. I don't like the presumption that I have hoards of money and I willingly spend
without caring. I don't like others deciding how to spend my money on my behalf.

I think that whenever a foreigner thinks "I won't check, it's just a couple of kuai", it
contributes towards the false 'laowai economy' which is responsible for the disgruntlement of the
OP. It also perpetuates the "laowais have money to burn" sort of mentality which is of course bad
for the sucker that has to pay more. At a larger scale, the mentality is bad for the reputations
of Chinese people, and bad for relationships with Chinese people. People who are already prone to
over-generalisations will have all the more cause to accuse the Chinese of being terrible rip off
merchants that can't be trusted etc.

I think that places where we find "I won't check it's just a couple of kuai' en masse are
generally horrid places to be. Think - a good proportion of touristy places. I know that one of
the main reasons I avoid lots of touristy places is because far too many laowais before me were
relaxed with their money. They drove prices up, and before too long, you have tourist traps.

Anyway, getting back to the point, I've learnt to ask for the free chopsticks that everyone else
uses. It's only a 2 kuai difference. And while others might not have time to argue about 2 kuai, I
have quite a bit of time to argue about matters of principle.

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heifeng -



Quote:

Anyway, getting back to the point, I've learnt to ask for the free chopsticks that everyone else
uses. It's only a 2 kuai difference. And while others might not have time to argue about 2 kuai, I
have quite a bit of time to argue about matters of principle.

HEY! I wrote this in the Chinese Scam sections a few months ago, then people said it doesn't
constitute a scam, but I still think it does since I'm pretty sure it's just a scam to make more
money, rather than hygienic purposes (cuz in China hygiene's such a huge concern right....).

Travel with your own chopsticks (keep pens in your purse, why not chopsticks too)! Sometimes they
claim they don't have 'other' chopsticks......which makes me want to drive those 1 yuan chopsticks
through their........

ok, once again picking battles.......










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Sure we understand why you are near insane, but the Chinese bystanders will probably just be
amused by your frustration....

Wise words, heifeng!




Quote:

I shouted at the guy, gave him three and left. He didn't argue.

I can visualize the scene and it isn't untypical. Here in the West, Chinese guys get cheated too
but I dread to think of the consequences to them if they react the way billiardsmike does !!!










gougou -



Quote:

are you sure they didn't add a extra automatic charge for a TIP which places tend to do where
there are many a foreigners....

If they did, I'd have appreciated them mentioning it somewhere. But the staff corrected the sum,
so I guess it was a mistake (not wanting to imply intent...)










billiardsmike -

You're right on the button Yonita. I avoid large tourist joints like the plague. I tend to
frequent the same 6-7 mom/pop joints. The food is better, cheaper and I'm treated like a regular.
I don't mean to imply that I don't care if I get ripped off. It's just that with these people, I
will believe it's a mistake, so my mind is at ease checking the bill infrequently. When I have,
it's always been right. A couple of them actually ran after me when I left too much money, before
I understood numbers well.

Until today, that was pretty much my outlook here in general, until the blatant white tax. I
wouldn't have caught on then, except the guy was a stand-in and not sure how to rip me off
smoothly. It took me out of my happy place and put me right back in the real world. Sigh!










billiardsmike -

Yeah, maybe I over-reacted a little. I was already having a bad-China day, frustrated with the
Eastern-style teaching methods, and some guy rips me off, bursting the one little happy bubble I
had left. It happens rarely, and I know I'm not helping matters, but I'm certainly not going to
apologize either.












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imron -

Let's face it, typing pīnyīn with tone marks is a real pain. Sure there are Word macros, and
webpages and certain software programs that you can use to type them, but there's not exactly one
seamless or consistent method to do it. Also, sometimes you're not using Word, sometimes you're
not connected to the internet, and sometimes you don't want to have to boot up another program and
copy and paste.

What would be really nice is an IME that instead of outputting Chinese characters, would output
pīnyīn with tone marks. Seeing as I've had a bit of spare time recently, I thought I'd put it to
good use and develop such an IME. The result is Pinyinput.

Once installed, it works just like a regular Chinese IME. Whenever you want to type some pīnyīn
you just switch on the IME and start typing. It works at the system level, and so it will allow
you to type pīnyīn with tones in any Windows program, just as easily as you would type Chinese
(in fact even easier, because you don't need to select the correct character.

Pinyinput has two main modes of operation. The first mode is "checked" mode, which only accepts
(mostly) valid pīnyīn (mostly valid in that it only checks for correct combinations of initials
and finals, and not valid/invalid combinations of tones). When typing, if you place a number at
the end of a pīnyīn syllable then Pinyinput will automatically convert the correct vowel in the
syllable so that it has the appropriate tone e.g. Typing Ni3hao3 will produce the output Nǐhǎo.
It knows where the tones are supposed to go so you'll never need to worry about whether the tone
was supposed to go over the a or the o, or whatever. It also makes sure you put the apostrophe in
the correct place, so the only letters that can follow an apostrophe are a, o and e (píngān and
píng'ān are acceptable, pín'gān is not). "Checked" mode also optionally supports "érhuà" so
things like pingr2 will be converted to píngr. The "érhuà" support is pretty simplistic, and it
will allow any valid pīnyīn syllable which is followed by an r (even though such syllables might
not exist in valid pinyin).

The second mode is "unchecked" mode, and in this mode you can type whatever you like, and when you
type the numbers 1-4, Pinyinput will put the corresponding tone mark over the preceding letter. By
using Unicode's combining diacritic marks, it even supports tone marks over consonants, s̄ò
ȳǒù c̀áň w̌řītě āll s̀ōřts̄ ōf čŕāžy̌ s̄tǔff lǐǩě thǐs

Pinyinput outputs Unicode, and the user can optionally decide whether they want to use combining
diacritic marks or individual characters (consonants will always use the combining diacriticals).
For users who don't know the difference, individual characters are probably the best way to go, as
not all programs handle combining diacriticals correctly.

Another feature is that Pinyinput can support multiple different keyboard layouts. So if you use
the Dvorak, the French or some other non-qwerty layout you can still type pīnyīn using the
keyboard layout that you are familiar with. Pinyinput detects what other keyboard layouts you have
installed, and allows you to choose which layout you prefer in its configuration dialog. Also,
regardless of the layout used, the letter v of that layout is always automatically converted to ü.

I'm releasing the program free of charge, but if you find it useful, I won't stop you from making
donations :-)

Pinyinput should still be considered beta-software, and although it's reasonably stable, it most
likely still contains a few bugs (some of which have now been fixed over the course of the last
few months). Anyway, it comes with no warranty of any sort and while it shouldn't cause any
problems on your computer, if your hard-drive dies after installing this, it wasn't my fault :-)

It only works on WinNT/2000/XP (and apparently Vista also), so everyone else is out of luck for
the time being. I might get around to writing a Linux or Mac version if there's enough interest,
but Win9X users (if you still exist) will just have to put up with the other ways of typing pinyin.

Once installation is completed, you activate it the same way you would any other Chinese input
method. So, go to the language toolbar and select Chinese. Then click on the second icon which
will bring up a list of all input methods you have installed for Chinese. One of them will be
Pinyinput. Once you've selected this, then Pinyinput will be used for all input in that
application, and depending on the application, you will either get a little pop-up box, or the
text will appear inline as you type.

You can also use the standard keyboard shortcuts to activate it, so Alt-Shift will cycle through
the languages available on the language toolbar (English, Chinese etc), and then once you're on
Chinese you can use Ctrl-Shift to cycle through the different Chinese input methods available (MS
Pinyin, Wubi, Pinyinput etc).

I've attached a couple of images below so you can see what I mean.

Edit: Updated installer to fix a small problem.

Edit 2006/11/9: Updated installer to output more accurate error messages (with thanks to atitarev
for testing/debugging), and fixed random bug with checked input.

Edit 2006/12/26: Fixed bug with OpenOffice and keyboard repeat codes.

Edit 2007/5/26: Fixed bug with function keys not working.

Edit 2007/6/01: Fixed bug with ü when typing in checked mode.

Download link for non-members.

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Pravit -

Cool stuff! I noticed a few things:

1. The installation program hung and bringing up task manager revealed that it was taking up 99%
of system resources. After killing it and running it again, though, it said that Pinyinput was
already installed(which it was).

2. Not a problem, but for anyone who has no experience with other IMEs like me, you can access
Pinyinput by clicking on the MSPY icon in your language bar and selecting it from the list.

3. I noticed that in unchecked input, if you delete a letter with a tone mark over it, the tone
mark will somehow remain "floating" and attach itself to other letters you type underneath it. Not
sure exactly how to reproduce it.

Great tool though and very useful! Thanks for releasing this free!










imron -

It's strange that the installer would hang. There are no loops in the code, so I can't imagine
what's causing it. It pretty much just copies the file, sets a few registry settings and exits.
What version of Windows are you running?

Also, regarding the floating tones, what program were you typing in? If you do manage to figure
out a way to reproduce it let me know.










imron -

Well, I just tested it out on a couple of other machines, the first one had no problem, but the
second one produced the same hang in the installer. It seemed to be being caused because I was
loading and activating the IME in the installer, and activating it there seemed to cause problems.
So now it doesn't do that, and it shouldn't hang - at least it no longer hangs on the other
machine I tested it on. If you wouldn't mind downloading it again and trying to see if it fixed
the problem, it'd be much appreciated.










lalibela -

Hi there!!
This sounds so great!!! i´m afraid i´m a complete beginner with computer´s stuff (although
i´ve been using it for 15 years now) and don´t know how to work with it. It said "installation
completed" but I can´t make it work!! Could you please explain all the steps I have to follow in
a very basic way?
Thanks for your help guys,
Lalibela










imron -

-moved this post and pictures to the first post-










imron -

One other thing, if you can't see the second icon displayed on the language bar, you can right
click on the first icon, and one of the options should be something like "Adjust language bar
position". This will make sure that all icons on the language bar are fully displayed.










UnbelieverOz -

First post - thanks for that tool, very handy. It installed fine for me (XP Home) and works fine
with the little bit of playing I've done so far. I'm just getting back into learning Chinese and
this will help a lot making up my own notes.

Cheers!










atitarev -

Hi Imron,

I tried to install your Pinyin Input on my work computer (XP Pro) and got a message - "You need
admininstrator priviliges to install Pinyininput". I know I do on that PC - can change registry
and can install other IME's, etc. Do you think, you can address this issue?

Thanks for your wonderful work,
Regards,
Anatoli










imron -

There are two things Pinyinput requires administrator privileges for. 1) write access to the
windows system folder (usually c:\windows\system32), and 2) write access to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
registry subkeys (which usually have a different level of access to the HKEY_CURRENT_USER subkeys).

If you are certain you have access to these things, then you can try manually installing it using
the files I've attached to this post. There are 2 files in the zip, one is pinyinput.ime which is
the actual IME, and the other is an installer that will copy the file to the system folder and
also update the registry so that pinyinput will appear in the text services and input methods
dialog box.

To use them, unzip the files to a temporary directory, and run "installer.exe". It's best if you
run this from the command line, so you can see the output (this will let you know if there were
any errors). The installer doesn't check for administrator privileges and just assumes it can copy
and setup everything. It also doesn't setup the uninstaller, so if you want to uninstall
Pinyinput, you will have to delete the ime file and remove the relevant registry entries manually.
Anyway, if everything was ok, you should see something like this:

-------------- Installing Pinyinput ---------------
Copying pinyinput.ime to c:\windows\system32\pinyinput.ime...OK
Installing Pinyinput...OK

---------------------- Done -----------------------

(if there were any problems, it will say Error instead of OK).

Once that's done, you now need to set Pinyinput as one of the available Input Methods, so pull up
the text services dialog box (the easiest way is to right-click on the language bar and choose
settings).

In this dialog box, click add, and then choose Chinese (PRC) for the input language. Pinyinput
should now be one of the choices displayed in the keyboard layout/input method combo box. Select
it, and click ok, and Pinyinput should now be available for use in the language bar.

Let me know if you can install it using this method.

Edit:Removed zip file, as it contained an older version of pinyinput, without any of the recent
bug-fixes.












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md1101 -

Something that always bugs me is usage of the word 'Chinese' as in

'He is a Chinese'
or 'I am a Chinese'

To me it doesnt sound right as a noun. It must be 'He is Chinese' or 'He is from China' or 'He is
a Chinese person/guy/girl'

But in the dictionary it says it can be used as a noun but does it sound right that way to you
people? I've only heard Chinese people use it that way anyway.



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gato -

Are you not an Australian?










HashiriKata -

Does "a German", "an American", etc. sound right to you?
I think in the end it all depends on how often we hear it used in a particular way. "The poor" and
"the rich" might have started life only as adjectives...










Language Guy -

While words like "Chinese" are much more widespread as plural nouns (i.e. the Chinese are
hardworking people), as a singular noun, it still is correct, much like an American, a Norwegian,
etc.

What I always found awkward is using the noun "French" as singular... I just can't do it. I have
to instead say a Frenchman or Frenchwoman.










roddy -

I do think the blunt 'Chinese' or 'Australian' grates a little - if you're just going to make the
statement, I think you'd be more likely to say 'He is Chinese / Australian'. If I hear "He's a
Chinese" I kind of feel like I'm left hanging, thinking "But a Chinese WHAT?!" I think maybe
Chinese people use it in English because it feels closer to 我是中国人, rather than I'm
Chinese which may feel a bit like they are saying 我是中国的。

But that's all speculation.

Roddy
PS English questions, btw, go under other cultures.










wushijiao -

I agree with mickdriscoll that "Chinese" doesn't sound right as a noun describing a person. I know
it is correct according to the dictionary, but it still sounds slightly strange and a bit
offensive. (I think American racists generally refer to Asians using their noun forms: ie. He's a
Jap/He's a Chinese/He's a Vietnamese/ Look at that (insert racial slur here)). Perhaps because of
this, I have almost only heard the adective+noun construction in polite conversation. But, again,
I'm just guessing as to why it sounds odd.

So I always use it as an adj., ie, "She is a Chinese person".










md1101 -

well good to know most people agree that is sounds odd. i know german, australian, american, all
sound fine in a single noun form. thats why i thought the question was interesting.

Anyway i think the consensus is you can say it as 'He is A Chinese'... its gramatically correct.
but it sounds wrong. and i dont think many native speakers would say it like this.




Quote:

Are you not an Australian?

yes. did you know even English people study English? its dumbfounding isnt it?

Languague Guy,
Dictionary.com describes the noun of 'French' as "the people of France and their direct
descendants." So according to the definition, saying "The French think..." etc is okay. But it
does not say it can be used to describe a single inhabitant of France like it does for Chinese,
Australia etc. So at least here we know why we've never heard is spoken that way. "he is a
French"...










gato -



Quote:

did you know even English people study English? its dumbfounding isnt it?

Amazing!



Quote:

Are you not an Australian?

I guess I should have put the "an" in caps.










md1101 -

lol.. I thought there was a possibility you meant that Gato. ummm... anyway its your fault for not
being clear so you'll just have to take my earlier sarcastic response.










in_lab -

The situtation for the words French and Chinese is similar. It used to be you could say "he's a
Frenchman/Chinaman." The dictionary lists "Chinaman" as "usally offensive" but doesn't have any
warning about Frenchman. The dictionary lists "Frenchwoman," but I don't think I've ever seen that
(there's no way of knowing if I've heard it). But there is no entry for Chinawoman.












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hey all

I am looking for an elite software chinese dictionary. Something like www.zhongwen.com but
software and simplified characters. Just like zhongwen.com I want it not just to show the meaning
of the character but also the meaning of all parts of the character. The reason I cant use
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hughitt1 -

Oops. i didn't realize it was in hanyu pinyin. :X i will try it out. My network connection is not
slow so i'm not sure why it didn't work. I attached a couple pictures in the above post to give
you an idea of what i mean.

Keith



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da jia hao,

I looooooooooove chinese SPICY food. Does anybody have some recipes that will make my mouth burn
???

a web site would help, too.

i particulary enjoyed DAN DAN MIAN and SHUI ZHU YU. Does anybody know how to make these ?

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rüdiger -

here is a link in german http://www.laohu.de/kochbuch/










realmayo -

Try something by this woman:
<<Chengdu, where she lived from 1994-96. She is an East Asian specialist at the BBC World Service,
and writes about Chinese food for Time Out magazine and guides. She also writes about Chinese food
and current affairs for the Economist, the Guardian Weekly, the China Review and Radio 4’s The
Food Programme. She speaks, reads and writes Chinese. In Britain, she was educated at Magdalene
College Cambridge and the School of Oriental and African Studies. She lives in London.>>>

here's a good link, it gives four excellent recipes at the bottom:
http://www.penguin.co.uk/static/cs/u...ia_dunlop.html
her book, where the receipes are from, is terrific.

if you want her dan dan mian, go to:
http://www.uktvfood.co.uk/index.cfm?...ipe&iID=516692










liuzhou -

shui zhu yu (Chinese)










doumeizhen -

Whenever I cook I first cook dried sichuan peppers in the oil until it turns yellow, then take
them out (because they numb your mouth), and add regular dried peppers and cook those in the oil
until they turn bownish, and then cook the food in the oil. Yum. Kinda like shuizhuyu, I suppose.
The hot peppers that are leftover at the end make an excellent, and spicy, after dinner treat as
you suck the juices out of them.










zhenhui -

Yumm... i love chilli too... have the nickname chilli queen among my friends!

Usually goes to recipezaar for my recipes...they have spicy chinese food too.
http://www.recipezaar.com/r/254/116

Live to eat! YAY!










skylee -

My brother has sent me this recipe (I have no idea if it works) -

芒果糯米糍

將芒果切開
起芒果肉..........待用
250g 糯米粉
加一包芒果汁.......相等 250ml
加10茶匙糖........
一定要.............一點一點加入糯米粉，否則變成一團！
一直攪........一直攪
攪到粒狀消失
拿去叮4分鐘(不要問我為啥要4分鐘)............及一定要用蓋蓋着，否則會叮乾
，沒用！
Ok..........取出，小心好熱！！
準備椰絲............
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搓......
加上芒果粒......
再搓...........
黏上椰絲...........
DONE..............
重覆.......
試試吧............各位！












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HSK Exam - Know of any Chengdu schools??? -

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nitropuppy -

I want to live in Chengdu for a few years. I'm 46 years old and I am semi-retired. From what I
have read so far, it is difficult to get a temporary residence permit. Unless, I either teach
english or take Mandarin courses myself.
I do not have time to be a full time student or teacher. My business in the "States" will need a
certain amount of attention. Which, I can do via the internet. Should I come on a tourist visa
(multi-entry), or try to get a letter from a school and apply for a 24 month student visa?
MY QUESTIONS
1. Can anybody give me the names to any schools in Chengdu, where I could take just a few hours of
language study a week??

2. How can a foriegner obtain the temporary residence permit?

3. I plan to marry my fiancee (she is chinese) in China. But according to the U.S.Consulate
website, I need the residence permit to receive a marriage license. But another site said the
marriage itself with get me the residence permit. Chicken or the egg?? Which is it?? Which must
come first??

4. Ideally, I just want to live in Chengdu with my wife. Get to understand her culture better.
Spend a few years there, maybe buy a condo. Saw a beautiful condo/apartment complex being built in
Chengdu, when I was there in February. If a foriegner is married to a chinese citizen, can we buy
property??
I have been on a search for these answers, for about half a year. I tried to contact a handfull of
chinese lawyers and law firms in Chengdu. I wrote the U.S.Consulate in Chengdu, four times. Got
nothing back. Not one E-mail. I'm quite perplexed by the silence. I even offered the law firms a
retainer fee. Again, not even an E-mail declining the offer. Nothing.
So, if anyone could pity this frustrated, confused guy, I would truly appreciate it. Even if you
know just part of my questions, any help would be a blessing. I thank you in advance. I also want
to thank this Forum and the people who contribute. You're helping to untangle the spaghetti of
rules and regulations.



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nitropuppy -

Well, I guess nobody can respond to my (apparently) very difficult questions. So, I guess I'll
respond myself. .....Sorry dude, nobody knows the answers. They are impossibly difficult to
answer. Or if somebody does know some information, they're not willing to parcel out any of that
information. Even a retainer or finders fee, can't bring you help.
So, keep looking. And if Consulates, lawyers, expats and forum sites won't help you, try
elsewhere. Just remember, it's a cold, selfish world out there. The days of the good samaritan are
gone. You're on your own.
** (note to any reader of this) This may look like self-pity. I can assure you it's not. It's born
out of frustration. I'm just incredibly blown away by the facts. Hundreds of hours searching. At
least 30 e-mails to lawyers, consulates, forums,and others. Not one e-mail back. Nothing. Can't
even buy the information. WOW!!!! I'm starting to feel like Patrick Swayze in the movie "Ghost".
Nobody can see or hear me. Maybe Whoopie can help me. Anybody know her address?
(Don't really expect an answer)










elina -

Sorry, I don’t know anything about your questions, but why not let your fiancee ask some of your
questions in the local, instead of your many times enquiries cross the country?



Quote:

Just remember, it's a cold, selfish world out there. The days of the good samaritan are gone.
You're on your own.

Please do not say that too early, I think one does get help from the strangers from time to time,
not mention from one’s friends. I can always be moved by that.

Good luck!










nitropuppy -

Thanks for your reply, elina. You at least confirmed, I'm not dead yet. Ha Ha! Yeah, I tried your
route too. Unfortunately, my fiancee is one of many chinese who is afraid to approach any
authority. She is very nervous at the thought of asking any government agency for any information.
She says she will try, but never musters the courage. Ironically, I found the chinese police to be
very polite and helpfull when I visited China this year. Ones perception is influenced by ones
historic past.
As for my comment, ..... you're right! It's a bit over reaching. This forum is a good example of
what you pointed out. Strangers do occasionally reach out and offer assistance. My comment was
intended to be slightly funny, and with a certain amount of sarcasm.
It was written in a moment of frustration, and was actually my way of saying to myself, "buck-up
soldier, don't let it get to you". So, if I've offended anybodys sensibilities, I most sincerely
appologise.










terryswift -

it doesnt seem too difficult to find some of this information atleast; ive only been through
there, but i think there are several unis there including sichuan u., chengdu u., southwest
jiaotong u. you could go on a simple tourist visa, show up at the school and apply that way, or as
you mentioned just get the invitation letter and get the visa that way. if u are enrolled as a
student, you'll get the residence permit.










Socks -

I second TS's idea of coming on a tourist visa and then changing it into a residence permit,
because if you study (intend to stay) over 6 months, you will need to have a medical exam done,
and if you get it changed, you only have to go through that baloney one time (this was true as of
2002, correct me if I am wrong about this)...

Now, if you are planning on getting married in China (I did recently), and are a US citizen, you
need a residence permit. Once you are married, you can apply for a (I believe, but I am not sure,
it could be one year) 6 month residence permit, that simply allows you to reside in China (and not
work).

As far as schools in Chengdu go... Sorry. Been there once, and it was enough!

Property...I don't know if this is everywhere in China, but where I live (Xinjiang), we can buy
property together. HOWEVER.... If we were ever to get a divorce or anything legally went wrong, I
would be in the wrong, and lose without a doubt...

Finally, did you try emailing the embassy in Beijing or somenone in the US, because I have only
had luck withe the Beijing embassy. I thought that they were super!










Xiao Kui -

You mentioned you don't have time to be a full-time student. Although you need to attend a certain
amt of classes to keep your student status, many schools really are most concerned that you pay
the tuition, not with your grades or your performance (though if you have good teachers they will
be concerned with your performance). So i think it's possible to be a student on a student visa
and have plenty of time for other things. Sichuan University and the Minorities Institute are 2
popular ones for CHinese study in Chengdu.. There is also Four Tones Mandarin training center, but
as a private school i don't know if it has visa issuing status. I lived in Chengdu 2 yrs but left
2 yrs ago so I'm a little out of touch.

I think being a student is a lot less time consuming than being a teacher, and many people who
like to travel but not necessarily study choose student visa status for this reason. You are still
your own boss when you're a student because you're the one paying. WHen you are a teacher the
school owns you.

It's about $900 US a semester Mandarin classes at Sichuan Uni. It used to be $600 US a semester
for Minorities Institute, but may not be as good.

Here is a link to the Sichuan University Department of International Cooperation's site for
Foreign students:

http://www.scu.org.cn/iohomepage/os.htm

I bet there's a lot of friendly English speaking people there that can help you.










cjfmsc -

Hi, none of the issues that you mention are unsolvable.

Yes you can buy property.

You can only get a "green card" once you have been married five years (or invested a lot of
money). However, you can register for a friendly private language school (not just a Uni) and they
can also help you with your "student visa". You can also apply to an agent who can arrange all the
paperwork for you. They can normally get you "F" visas.

Please note that as a foreigner you will have to register with the local police (Public Security
Bureau). I am not sure how they will react to living in an apartment on a tourist visa. ie Tourist
visa solution needs to be researched.

There are number of companies that provide "destination services" and advice on living in China.
These are normally not free services. There is a lot of useful info on the China Expert website
(www.china-expert.org) and if you need more you couls always contact them and ask them to research
the answers to all your questions, or even try "Google answers"

FYI - I am married to a Chinese national and been in China for a number of years










roddy -



Quote:

There are number of companies that provide "destination services" and advice on living in China.
These are normally not free services.

No, they normally charge an arm and a leg for helping you do something you can do yourself with a
bit of research and effort. Fine for corporate stuff and if you've got money to burn though (and
if we've got lots of loaded management consultants on here I want to know about it, time to start
charging for membership ).

To the OP - you've asked questions about Chengdu schools, temporary residence permits, residence
permits and buying property all under the title 'Know of any Chengdu schools', which is hardly
going to increase your chances of a decent answer.

There's some very old info on Chengdu schools here, and if you search for 'chengdu schools' or
similar on here you'll turn up a few more that might be helpful.

Temporary residence permit and residence permit see here. I suspect you need a residence permit to
get married (and you would have to get that one by being studying, working here) and subsequently
you can rely on the fact that you are married to extend / renew it.

Buying property is a minefield, and what applies in Beijing today won't be worth a damn in Chengdu
tomorrow. Indeed, what applies in Chengdu today probably won't count in Chengdu tomorrow anyway.
Definitely a case for on the ground research.


Quote:

Please note that as a foreigner you will have to register with the local police (Public Security
Bureau). I am not sure how they will react to living in an apartment on a tourist visa. ie Tourist
visa solution needs to be researched.

They're unlikely to care. All the local police need to know is where you live.










Annajustin -

here is something which might be useful.http://www.sculj.net/ReadNews.asp?Ne...C4&SpecialID=0












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Pnyin - Help: 满城尽戴黄金甲 (Curse of the Golden Flower) -

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foolip -

Request for backup! I've been editing away at the wikipedia article about Zhang Yimou's upcoming
movie. However, I'm not too sure about everything that I've written. Please help me verify/fix
these things:

Is the pinying for the character 尽 jin3 or jin4? I've guessed for jin4 on no grounds at all.

What is the literal translation? 满城尽戴黄金甲
满城 Mancheng, an old city
尽 to the utmost
戴 to wear
黄金甲 golden armor
My best shot was "cover Mancheng with golden armor", but... I'm not sure.

The thing about 黄金甲 as a colloquialism for sandstorm was in a podcast from chinesepod.com.
Is the way I've written it true? I have never heard it used as I'm in Sweden, but how about you
people in China?



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skylee -

AFAIK, 滿城 means the whole city. Literally 滿城盡戴黃金甲 means everyone in the city is
in golden armour. But I could be wrong.










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Gary Soup -

The working English title is "The City of Golden Armor" according to dianying.com.


Quote:

This is said to be loosely based on Cao Yu's play Thunderstorm which has several adaptions over
the time including one the early Bruce Lee played a role, but set in an emperor's court.
Thunderstorm is a Shakespearean drama of love, sex, incest, scandal, revenge and death, spiced
with the class war in 1930's China. The titles comes from a poem written by the leader of a
peasant uprising in the late Tang Dynasty, but is only chosen for its splendor while the poem has
little to do with the story. Budget 360M yuan (US$44M). The 'Zhang's new lady' as the tabloids
like to say has been revealed as Li Man, a student in Central Drama Academy of Beijing.

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Chinese Character - Kanji Writing Exercises -

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mkengel -

Hello.
I have put free writing exercises of the 学習漢字、常用漢字 and for very tough ones the
kanji of JIS X 0208-1990 onto my homepage.
http://lernmaterialien.mkengel.de

Please feel free to use them and forward the files (or the link) to your interested friends.
Sorry, the introduction is in German but there is a kind of license in English - please read it.

Be careful with the last file, it is about 5.5MB and has 1470 pages.

I wish you good luck with your exercises.
Cheers
Michael



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mkengel -

I have extended the published kanji writing materials (free):

Gakushu-Kanji (学習漢字)
Joyo-Kanji (常用漢字)
JIS X 0208-1990
Kanken level 10 to pre-1 (漢字試験)
JLPT 4 to 1 (日本語能力試験)

http://lernmaterialien.mkengel.de/

Detailed explanation in every pdf file (sorry forgot to put online the explanation as a separate
file - you will find it this evening).

Cheers
Michael Engel










atitarev -

Wie geht's, Michael? How are you?

Thanks for the links.

You should have mentioned that there are links Chinese characters (汉字 / 漢字 (Hànzì)) as
well (on a Chinese language forum!). Do you have Chinese - English transalations? I am comfortable
using German but other users might not be. "Kanji" (漢字 / かんじ) (you probably know) is
used in English when talking about the Japanese characters.










mkengel -

Hello.
>>You should have mentioned that there are links Chinese characters (汉字 / 漢字 (Hànzì)) as
well (on a Chinese language forum!).

On my page there is only very few material for Chinese language learning but I link to HanDeDict
which I introduced here:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=10118
and here
http://www. /links/...wdetails&l=167

But we are here in the "Other cultures and language" section, so here only the Kanji announcement.

>>Do you have Chinese - English transalations? I am comfortable using German but other users might
not be.
No, we are only preparing materials for German-speaking people.

>>"Kanji" (漢字 / かんじ) (you probably know) is used in English when talking about the
Japanese characters.
After 13 years living in Japan, I think I know. Did I make somewhere a writing mistake ? Please
tell me where. Thank you.

Michael










atitarev -

No, sorry, Michael, I didn't mean to upset you. That's why I said "you probably know".










mkengel -

No problem.

A little bit off-topic now, but to answer one of your comments.

We take our German translations for the vocabulary cards directly from HanDeDict. But
unfortunately we have a different vocabulary base compared to CEDICT and we do not store the
English equivalent, so it is not possible to make Chinese-English translations.

We always recommend to printout our German cards without the German translations. On the blanc
backside you can write your own translations (English, French, Russian, etc)

Michael










atitarev -

Thanks, Michael, your site will be useful for all Chinese and Japanese learners, whatever their
first language is. There are similar sites in English to yours, though.












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Learning Mandarin - Where to go from Pimsleur? -

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runehh -

After a slow start I have now almost finished Pimsleur 1,2 and 3. So where to go from here? I have
bought several different textbooks and some of them are ok, but I dread the day I run out of
Pimsleur lessons, and will have to rely on books alone. Maybe I am stupid or lazy (probably both)
but I find it very difficult to learn from the books, now that I am used to the CD's.
Does anybody know of any Pimsleur style CD's or tapes that might be helpful? Or have any
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kudra -

I don't know at what level Pimsleur stops.
2 things you might check:

1. general texts
http://www. /showthread.php?t=9612

2. Just see if you can understand the audio of lesson 1 of David and Helen
http://classes.yale.edu/chns130/Listening/index.html

Presumably if lesson 1 is understandable, then you are at 2nd year US univ. level.
Then at least there are many 10's of hrs of D+H audio.










anticks -

Congrats on finishing all 3. How do you find your conversational skills are at the moment? and
your listening?

Ive been wanting to find out what kind of level people are at after all 3 pimsleur courses as im
almost done with Level 1. My girl (who is chinese) said, after listning to a few of conversational
parts of various units in Mandarin III, that it sounds quite good and if i get to that level i
should be able to talk and understand quite a bit of day to day conversation.

My plan after Pimsleur is to look more at Rosetta Stone and Chinesepod.com for topics on different
things and using familiar words in different situations. I think there will be a few things that
they cover that Pimsleur does not. Right now im also about to start a short course. Im taking a 10
week, 30 hour evening course teaching Mandarin with a focus on communication. It wasnt too hard
for find out about this. Alot of local schools here get hired out by teachers who teach evening
classes in all sorts of things. Maybe you could look into it. Im not sure how much a 30 hour
course would actually help? Anyone had any experience in short courses?

Im planning to goto China at the end of 2007/Start of 2008. So that gives me over a year and a
half to study Mandarin.










incuria -

It seems like we are looking at the same mandarin courses. Some just starting out while others at
the end of a particular course.

Would it be possible to put up a post of the more common commercially available ones. Someone who
has fluency and had exposure to the various types of formats (book/cd,software, podcasts etc) and
rank them somehow in terms of beginner/intermediate/advanced.

There is already an extensive posting on different textbooks used at University. Non academic
types (or those not yet interested in learning the written script) such as myself are relying upon
straight off the shelf book/audio courses.

It would be helpful to have an idea what study materials would flow from one level to the next, so
we could get an idea and direction to head in to expand our level of knowledge or stay in one
place for the time being to revise.

No Course would cover everything so it is natural to ask the question "what next".

I'm just starting with Plimsleur 1 but supplement with Chinesepod.com (in the newbies section) as
I find the podcasts to be humerous and fun. A break from the repetition but also good to hear a
different set of voices.










kudra -

Just to comment on ...


Quote:

or those not yet interested in learning the written script...

The somewhat old Spoken Standard Chinese 1,2 series by Huang and Stimson was all pinyin. It has a
companion series of texts -- Written Standard Chinese 1-4. Apparently you can buy tapes for them
all but they are pricey. (There was a draft of Spoken vol 3, but it never got published. )( home
made mp3 may be available on the web somewhere at some point.)

It seems like at some point, you will want the "academic" treatment to get a systematic
presentation of grammar and patterns. I thought this was a very strong point about the Spoken
Standard Chinese 1-2 series.

I guess what you need is people to chime in, who've had success getting to mid intermediate level,
for example, doing self study using off the shelf audio/cd products. My guess, based on nothing
but my experiential bias toward the "academic" treatment, is that they are a rare breed.










incuria -

I think you are very correct kudra. Ultimately one could only go so far without learning the
script and just relying upon audio and pinyin.

It is good to see there is choice as to how deep you want to plunge into. I work on a front desk
where a small percentage (10% - guess) of people I meet have South East Asian background and are
invovled in litigation in the Court over work related injury and industrial relations/employment
type issues. Most of those speak good english - only a smaller number (1% guess) can't communicate
in english at all.

We have professional interpreters (usually asked for by the plaintiffs solicitor), to sit in Court
and interpret in real time during the proceedings regardless of their standard of english.

Often the plaintiff will arrive before their solicitor or interpreter. I think it would be great
for me to be able to greet and give directions/basic information in their native tongue to assist
them feel at ease with the process. Who wouldn't feel nervous going to Court?

Hence relying upon audio to communicate in the first instance. As an Officer of the Court I can't
start giving interpretations/translations on legal issues so basic tourist type dialogue to help
settle people in before their solicitor arrives will be just the thing.

Thanks for the info on Huang and Stimson. Shall keep an eye out for it on the net. I'll stick to
audio and pinyin for the moment and just get used to the sounds of the language.










gato -



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small percentage (10% - guess) of people I meet have South East Asian background and are invovled
in litigation

Do you know if they speak Mandarin Chinese? Don't want to plunge in and study the wrong language.










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I guess what you need is people to chime in, who've had success getting to mid intermediate level,
for example, doing self study using off the shelf audio/cd products. My guess, based on nothing
but my experiential bias toward the "academic" treatment, is that they are a rare breed.

I have gotten to the intermediate level (if intermediate level means that you understand the last
lesson of "David and Helen in china" ) almost entirely through self study. However I have also had
many opportunities to communicate with natvie speakers. I first used Pimsleur and later "Standard
chinese: a modular approach" by the Foreign Service Institute. However I am not sure that I would
recommend either. I would suggest you have a look at the Assimil chinese course. You can read
about the Assimil methodology more in detail here:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com...=22&PN=1&TPN=1.










incuria -

#7 Gato my percentages and geography are probably way out. A fairer picture is a cross section of
clients come by. Languages include Mandarin, Vietnamese, Arabic, Farsi/Dari, Spanish. I can almost
guess the origin of the client by surname, against a backdrop of mainly caucasian people.

The assigned interpreters put any guess work to rest by identifying themselves as "I'm the Farsi
interpreter for Ms ....." (so I get to cheat on that score )

I seem to think that a lot of people in chinese forum are learning for more exacting and
professional roles of linguistic use than I will ever need to worry about.

I do take my hat off to those people. I admire anyone who is mulitilingual regardless of the
purpose or origin of that learning process. I think it is great the way people "think aloud" on
the forum and give ideas on their learning curve to where they are heading.










gato -

Good luck, incuria!












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Ok Roddy, I've started a new thread here...

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Wow, didn't expect so much interest in this...

Wow, didn't expect so much interest in this program. :D

The function is a logistic function. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function . I'm just
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The complicated answer is... it assumes that the...

The complicated answer is... it assumes that the probability of you knowing a character is 1/(1 +
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well said. I think its interesting the way we...

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Re: How many characters is enough?

"Perhaps the more interesting question is how many characters does it take to understand the radio
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This hardly makes sense. (I support traditional...

This hardly makes sense. (I support traditional script, just for the record).


I just visited Singapore last December, and I don't think this is very true.



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I was recently on a cruise on Yangtze. Because...

I was recently on a cruise on Yangtze. Because almost all the passengers were from HK, the
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I think the "simplified script sydrome"...

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can...



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Jamie, take Mike's advice. Although personally I...

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Ok, I see your point. kunrei accent is better for...

Ok, I see your point. kunrei accent is better for showing the underlying grammatical functions of
words etc. However, can we agree that these grammatical underpinnings are rarely necessary
(except,...



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In japanese this is not the case. It will sound...

In japanese this is not the case. It will sound awkward, but you should be understood, unless you
randomly blurt out はしが　あかい　です。 Which seems unlikely. Furthermore, if you
aren't concerned with it,...



Forum: Reading and Writing 21st November 2005, 07:09 AM

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If it is 100% hiragana, then the words will...

If it is 100% hiragana, then the words will already be spaced. Otherwise, there is no way to read
it. Justlikeifyouhadanallromajisystemandyoutookoutthespacesitwouldbehardtoread. Also, do you
find...



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. That's a little steep. When I was in...

.
That's a little steep. When I was in Highschool, I learned that English has 600,000 words approx.
I don't think that it is feasable to for English to have 5,000,000+ words.

Do people use words...



Forum: Reading and Writing 8th August 2005, 02:29 AM

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Dang. Ok, scratch that, bad example. :lol:...

Dang. Ok, scratch that, bad example.


:lol: You know you're contradicting yourself, right?



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 11:44 PM

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I don't want to drag this discussion out, but I...

I don't want to drag this discussion out, but I think this sentence kinda proves my point:
結構特點。詞或短語構成句子。 Now, look at huo4. It is clearly serving as Huo4 Zhe3,
I am not sure that in literate writing...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 10:24 PM

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True, I don't think Shibo intended this to become...

True, I don't think Shibo intended this to become a back-and-forth kinda thing.

Yeah but I think I know him from somewhere.
Anyway we are way off topic. I think we have basically covered all...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 10:14 PM

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You seem kinda antagonistic Dennis, do you need...

You seem kinda antagonistic Dennis, do you need some sleep or something? Why not wait 'till the
discussion is over first, then bug everybody in a pm?(just kidding) Seriously though, we are
trying to...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 09:59 PM

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Posted By nipponman


To Dennis>むさしとは? To me, kanji is always...

To Dennis>むさしとは?
To me, kanji is always better, then hiragana, then romaji. But I can read in all of them.
This might sound weird but, when I first started learning Japanese (and Chinese as well) I...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 09:26 PM

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Posted By nipponman


Erm, I don't know if you noticed or not, but this...

Erm, I don't know if you noticed or not, but this is all a response to a genuine question about
Chinese. And though there have been movements on the romanization of both languages, that is not
really...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 09:21 PM

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Posted By nipponman


Not sure I quite understand. Right, if...

Not sure I quite understand.



Right, if you're to have a pinyin system tone marks and those kind of things are very important.
Fen1 wei2 is right, but he2 cheng2 is in my dictionary, NJStar,...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 07:20 PM

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Posted By nipponman


:clap You got it right. I didn't intend to put...

:clap You got it right. I didn't intend to put those extra "test" words in there either!

Sorry shibo, but this wasn't random. I wanted to see if people could read a text in pinyin with as
much...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th August 2005, 09:04 AM

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Posted By nipponman


I got the article online (can't remeber where)...

I got the article online (can't remeber where) and quickly wrote it up in kana, it was originally
in kanji though.




Glad you agree, Sky..

Too bad I missed out on much of the discussion. I'll...



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 07:35 AM

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Posted By nipponman


タイプミス(げー)しましたよね。日本人を書きたかったが。。。

タイプミス(げー)しましたよね。日本人を書きたかったが。。。



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 03:26 AM

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Posted By nipponman


This has already been answered actually. I don't...

This has already been answered actually. I don't know where though.



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 03:10 AM

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Posted By nipponman


Kanji definitely. Again, it is takes more time to...

Kanji definitely. Again, it is takes more time to figure out the words. Sure if I were to see:
わたしはにほんじです。Or even Watashi wa nihonji desu. I would be able to read and
understand about as fast as if...



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 02:47 AM

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Posted By nipponman


definitely.

definitely.



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 02:33 AM

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Posted By nipponman


I'm sorry, I gave up before the end of the first...

I'm sorry, I gave up before the end of the first sentence. That is an eyesore.



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 01:45 AM

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Posted By nipponman


I hope you don't mind me asking then, are you a...

I hope you don't mind me asking then, are you a native speaker gato?
You'd thnk that native Cantonese would be able to read a phonetic script a little better than
would a mandarin speaker. This a...



Forum: Reading and Writing 5th August 2005, 01:40 AM

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Posted By nipponman


Thanks skylee for the info. I got so caught up...

Thanks skylee for the info. I got so caught up that I forgot to thank you.



Forum: Reading and Writing 4th August 2005, 08:29 PM

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Posted By nipponman


Good point. I notice that when I read something...

Good point. I notice that when I read something to see if it is useful or not, I just skim through
it catching the characters and seeing what is going on.



Forum: Reading and Writing 4th August 2005, 07:39 PM

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Posted By nipponman


So, you're saying Quest and Skylee don't know...

So, you're saying Quest and Skylee don't know enough chinese? They tried to read a pinyin thingy
and found it difficult. Not because pinyin is more practical, but because it is just harder to
read....



Forum: Reading and Writing 4th August 2005, 08:45 AM

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Posted By nipponman


It's much more than emotional attachment, believe...

It's much more than emotional attachment, believe me. I am not natively asian, so I don't think I
would care one way or the other had I not began learning kanji over 7 years ago.
This problem exists...



Forum: Reading and Writing 4th August 2005, 04:15 AM

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Posted By nipponman


I still don't think that a purely phonetic script...

I still don't think that a purely phonetic script would work. When I say "work", I mean it
wouldn't be effective, feasable, easier, etc. I.e it would have no benefits. Characters, convey
meaning. You...



Forum: Reading and Writing 3rd August 2005, 08:01 PM

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Posted By nipponman


I thought this was an old thread for some...

I thought this was an old thread for some reason...

No, you're wrong on that. Because, unless you're just spouting off words for no reason (which
people rarely do), you'll have a context to what...



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